Draft minutes of the 6th Annual General Meeting held at the Crookham War Memorial Hall, Church Crookham, on Thursday 11th February 2010, commencing at 7.30pm.
There were 30 persons present including:
Chairman James Radley
Vice Chairman Simon Ambler
Treasurer Chris Axam
Secretary Fran Jones
Membership Secretary Gill Butler
Election agent Julia Ambler
A letter had been sent out by Taylor Wimpey to announce their upcoming public exhibition. A show of hands revealed that only half of those present had received this.
Hart had won the appeal and the original application had been thrown out, but the door had been left open for Taylor Wimpey to re-apply. The development was thrown out because the plans showed that part of the development sat beyond the settlement boundary.
Taylor Wimpey (TW) had been told to try to maintain the target of 1,150 houses within the constricted site. However, to fit in that many properties TW would need to build more flats than they wanted to. The estate would also be left with too few car-parking spaces which often leads to community stress. So, Taylor Wimpey is coming back with a plan for 872 houses on the site, though they are being pressurised to increase this number. Hart needs to provide 4400 houses over the next 20 years, CC(H) wants to keep to circa 800 dwellings on the QEB. Taylor Wimpey were being threatened by Hart District Council to up the numbers but the Chairman suggested that those present who had a view on this should go to the exhibition and stress the importance of not over-developing the site..
Following the appeal
result we have
had the opportunity to stop the closure of the
In answer to questions:
40% of the houses will be affordable.
Wakeford’s Copse is included in the 872 houses.
Comment that road traffic counting is going on at present in various areas. This is to show if traffic flow has changed since the last time counted.
What about GP
Radley said this was a decision for the Primary Care Trust. At the
At the previous QEB
the plans were submitted before any public consultation, but this time
go out for public exhibition and the developer would be asking the
what needs they see can be fulfilled by the development. Secondary
now full, the Army is moving more service families to fill
At Hitches Lane a
further 75 properties
could be built on the site if they get permission to put the electric
are currently on pylons, underground. Allotments were promised, but
been put on hold as there may be more housing and consequential changes
site layout. Grove Farm is a potential site for more housing extending
All this despite the fact that our secondary schools haven’t got enough capacity.
Fleet cannot spread northwards beyond the motorway, cannot spread on to Tweseldown & Velmead Common which are part of the Special Protection Area, so areas to the south and west are the areas under threat.
If the Tories win the General Election they might be able to revert back to earlier agreed housing numbers for the district but it would probably only be back to 4000 over 20 years, only 400 less. What can we do to influence the current administration?
When more interesting items come up then the members will be informed. Talk to canvassers during election time to highlight any concerns.
There may also be a proposal for 40 -70 houses behind Redfields Garden Centre.
Hart are cutting managerial posts, including a Corporate Director. There is also a general pay freeze.
Site and application issues still on-going.
Firstly, a very big thank you to everyone who came out to vote last June and give me such a large majority. I am one of 5 county members for Hart District and the only non-aligned member at HCC. There are 78 County Councillors for Hampshire and following the 2009 elections there are 51 Conservative, 25 Liberal Democrat, 1 remaining Labour member and me. There have been some ups and downs since my election. I have attended induction training and briefing sessions and I have been allocated to two select committees: Children and Young People and Culture Community and Rural Affairs. I was denied the chance to represent Hampshire on two important outside bodies: Hart Road Safety Council and Farnborough Aerodrome Consultative Committee. Instead the Executive Member allocated 2 Conservative members, both from areas outside this district. Luckily I have been able to attend these meetings in other capacities but I was dismayed to see that the Hampshire appointed representatives have so far not attended any of the meetings.
Hart District is compromised by scoring highly as a healthy and wealthy community, which means that it does not reach threshold targets and is significantly under supported by government grants. This means that we have to rely on new local development to provide any necessary infrastructure improvements. Unfortunately new development is not obliged to make up for any outstanding shortfall that we already have. All the more reason to make sure that any new development proposals are given serious consideration and a robust plan for necessary provision needs to be put in place. Unfortunately instilling such common sense seems to be an uphill struggle.
I am glad to say that after persistent reminding the School Organisation Officers are working with Planning Officers to try to make sure that proper contributions for education can hopefully be obtained from every new dwelling. They are even considering whether they can ask for contributions for large house extensions too. The fact is that already every school year is at or close to full capacity in this area , it is not just secondary school level that is so tight on capacity.
Large new developments
potentially be requested to provide a new primary school. The main
how to provide secondary school capacity because they provide for a
catchment. Secondary schools are also much more expensive to provide.
major residential development site would not be enough to provide the
funding for a new or expanded secondary school. It seems that no-one
anticipated the need to start to accrue a reserve fund to start to pay
major school expansion or a new school, until very recently. The huge
incremental funding for this extra step is not available and we still
hear how this can be resolved. Currently there are available places in
neighbouring authorities so the School Admission Team are allocating
to go to these other schools when there is no space in this area. This
happening now. So what happens in 2 or 3 years time when new families
This is one of the messages that needs to be made strongly, without adequate school capacity these new developments are simply unsustainable. We need to have a solution and soon. I just hope that is will be carefully thought out and not done on the cheap and so cause problems for the future. We have such good schools in this area and we need to make sure that these high standards are kept up. The more people who raise these concerns, the better.
The other issue of
concern is the
need for adequate highways and transport improvements. This too is
new development. There will be development contributions for highways
is supposed to be used to mitigate the impact of the development on
Once again large new development sites could provide the best
provide for an improved public transport system but we must try to
or short-term fixes that lose long-term effect and so don’t help to
more sustainable transport and highways. However, all new local
will also increase traffic, congestion and parking demands, so we need
sure that the highways contributions are used to provide safe routes,
crossings (especially near schools ) and help ease congestion. Busy or
dangerous road junctions will cause drivers to seek other safer and/or
routes. These will generally be through quiet residential roads in both
and villages. Better to enable sensible through-routes where traffic
controlled and a steady traffic flow enabled. This will be another
challenge to try to achieve from the QEB site, especially when
Officers insist that. they have already
agreed to the
QEB proposals, which do not include seriously improving junctions such
as Redfields Lane/A287
Meanwhile, the highway
officers are drawing up the Fleet Town Access Plan (FTAP), which is
identify necessary schemes to improve access to and from the town. This
where any highways development money is supposed to be collected and
according to their time-table and priorities. However, I do have real
that some of the schemes that have been identified may not be the ones
some of the large developments should require. Currently FTAP is
a certain catchment area which does not include some of the difficult
junctions. The main one that I have in mind is the
If they expect to use the £3million highway contribution from the QEB for FTAP then this must not disappear into just highway schemes in Fleet, there will be as much if not more impact from the QEB on roads in Church Crookham and nearby villages. I am asking for this prioritisation to be changed to make the allocation of funding fairer. In fact, the latest draft FTAP plans are due to be put out for consultation in the spring, so I urge people to take the opportunity to take a look and make comment. Clearly there are sensible schemes that need to be done in Fleet but they must not make claim to all highways contribution money from the QEB. I am also trying to make sure that the comments made at the previous consultation on FTAP in Autumn 2008 have indeed been factored into the latest plans.
Finally, there is one aspect from County that I really welcome, and that is that every county member is allocated a grant of £10,000 to provide to local groups and organisations within their own county divisions with grants for one-off projects and minor capital works. There are some tight deadlines that we need to follow, but if you can think of any local groups who require a few hundred pounds to help to fulfil a local scheme to benefit the community, then please let me know. I do have some grant money left for this year, but the grant will be withdrawn at the end of February, as it cannot be seen to be used as an electioneering tool. However, we have just been told that any money not spent this year can be carried over for next year, and the fund should be available again from the end of June 2010. I want to make sure that Church Crookham, Courtmoor and the villages do get full benefit from this fund. I have some forms available for people to use if you think this would be useful for a project you know about. Please come and talk to me afterwards.
James Radley has been mentoring the shadow parish council for Church Crookham for almost a year. As of now the biggest issue for the new parish councils of Elvetham Heath, Fleet and Church Crookham is the management of the Harlington Centre. Fleet have agreed to take this on provided that Church Crookham Parish Council (P.C.) will indemnify Fleet Town Council to the value of £10,000 with regard to their incurring a substantial operating loss on the Harlington Centre.
Roughly £66,000 will be
for the Church Crookham Parish Council to
Church Crookham and this could be used to
playground and recreational facilities on the Peter Driver site and/or
A member asked if P.C.s should be made up of people with a political bias. James replied that this was a good question. The Tories are supposedly not putting up candidates under a political banner, but the Lib Dems might do so. Ideally parish councils should not be involved in party politics but in fact it is up to the electorate who they vote for.
Chris Axam presented the accounts and it was proposed by Gill Butler and seconded by Jim Russell that these would be accepted. The vote was carried unanimously.
Proposed by: Seconded by:
Chairman – James Radley John Bennison Simon Ambler
Vice Chairman - Simon Ambler
Secretary - Fran Jones James Radley Chris Axam
Treasurer - Chris Axam Jenny Radley John Bennison
Election Agent - Julia Ambler Ken Blockwell James Radley
These were all accepted unanimously.
A member asked about
pavements. Jenny Radley replied that the Beat Police Officers were
TAG’s plans for
Parish Councils will soon be formally established, and have much to offer local people.
TAG: With TAG wanting to operate more aircraft and proportionally more of the larger aircraft, how will this affect the PSZ (Public Safety Zone)? A member of the audience said that TAG’s arithmetic did not tally. This should be brought up at the next consultation/meeting with TAG and the public in Rushmoor. TAG have changed their model and they are wrong to have done so.
Flooding and back-flow of sewage were raised as significant issues which should be addressed when new developments are planned.
James Radley also mentioned to those present that reports of pick-pockets had been made recently in Fleet, so people should be alert and keep purses and wallets safe.
said that he had a copy of the
The meeting closed at 9.13pm.